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Re: Tampering

by Guest » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:52 pm

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 3:24 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:04 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:55 am
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:53 am How's the fight going against tampering? Anybody get hit yet?
The biggest farce ever.

EVERY SINGLE COACH at the AAA level tampered. Every single one, and if they didn't their team would be AWFUL.
But I can confirm every single coach on OMHA AAA East has players committed prior to tryouts.

So to nail anyone for that, is WACK.
Yup, either myself or good friends are locked into positions on every single one of the teams prior to tryouts. What are we doing here? We all know. If one single coach gets nailed, that's insane.
Gotta start somewhere. Will be better for everyone involved to have the porper tryout procedure rather than the nonesense going on now. Cheaper too. These teams are really milking the birthday skate costs to make money
I think people underestimate how hard it is to put a team together, it isn't a matter of grabbing 17 kids. You need the right amount of defence/forwards, left handed vs. right handed defence, kids that are coachable, kids that get along with each other, kids that fit the team style of game the team plays, and parents that aren't crazy.

Many coaches are volunteers, It is insane to think a coach would want to or be able to pick an entire team from kids that happen to show up for your tryout skate. Some of these skates have 40-50 kids, it is impossible to be fair and pick a team that works. It might work in North Ontario or other centers where you know the kids well, but it would be a complete gong show in the GTHL.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:43 am

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:38 pm The bigger problem is parent coaches. Some clubs have five with the manager! Their kids have friends on the team so that’s ten spots booked up before any tryout. Good bad or ugly these ten get ice time over your kid.
So what's your solution?

There aren't enough people volunteering to coach so you basically have to take whoever volunteers.

I've seen great volunteer coaches and horrible paid coaches.

The system is broken, we all know that but we have to work with what we got.
Are you getting the best coaches? No
Are you getting teams where the coaches kids shouldn't make the team? Yes
Would paying coaches get more interested? Probably
Do you want your fees to go with by paying more for coaches? No

I know the Hamilton Steel only have non-parent head coaches but that's tough to do year after year.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:08 am

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:38 pm The bigger problem is parent coaches. Some clubs have five with the manager! Their kids have friends on the team so that’s ten spots booked up before any tryout. Good bad or ugly these ten get ice time over your kid.
Seemed to work for a certain u10 gthl west A team who won their west division.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:38 pm

The bigger problem is parent coaches. Some clubs have five with the manager! Their kids have friends on the team so that’s ten spots booked up before any tryout. Good bad or ugly these ten get ice time over your kid.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 3:24 pm

Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:04 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:55 am
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:53 am How's the fight going against tampering? Anybody get hit yet?
The biggest farce ever.

EVERY SINGLE COACH at the AAA level tampered. Every single one, and if they didn't their team would be AWFUL.
But I can confirm every single coach on OMHA AAA East has players committed prior to tryouts.

So to nail anyone for that, is WACK.
Yup, either myself or good friends are locked into positions on every single one of the teams prior to tryouts. What are we doing here? We all know. If one single coach gets nailed, that's insane.
Gotta start somewhere. Will be better for everyone involved to have the porper tryout procedure rather than the nonesense going on now. Cheaper too. These teams are really milking the birthday skate costs to make money

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:01 pm

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:54 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:31 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:00 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:38 am
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:38 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:18 pm

Disagree with that opinion. He can make the jump, and maybe even be better for it if he gets good coaching and much more ice at A. Just my opinion and advice, my kid is entering U16AAA next season. Played select till U11, A U12-U13, AA U14 and AAA U15 and now U16.

Go slow, let them love the game. Not saying this is the right way, it worked for my son. What I will say is it allowed him to be a top player at every level before moving up and I think that benefitted him massively, also gave him the competitive edge to "make" that next level. Good luck and enjoy the ride!
This is bang on. Any coach who is tampering at U10/U11/U12 is pathetic and yoh should run. Hockey at this age should be about building kids up and learning to play.
*slow clap
People on here are so childish.

Yes, everyone agrees that it would be better for the integrity of the game if tryouts happened with zero previous commitments. But, its never going to happen. Teams are not going to miss out on players by "taking the high road" unless there is no viable competition. So, do coaches in Kingston feel the need to make commitments? Not sure, but I could see them not bothering potentially.

That being said, you might think that it will give your kid a better "more fair shot" at tryouts, but you are just then delaying the inevitable and allowing the teams that still don't care and still provide commitments prior to tryouts an unfair advantage. Maybe its the team you are trying out for that still makes the early commits and they are one of the only ones? Now you have LESS of a shot than you would have in todays world because they can literally create a super team without any competition from other teams.

Do you not think every coach knows either personally or through a web of connections the best players anyways? With social media (not just following player accounts) but coaches being connected with each other, live barn and in the case of 2015 and younger the advent of KSL where EVERYONE plays at the same location once a month - its easy to know the names. Hockey was always a "small world" now its even smaller.

So just stop with the crying, AAA hockey is what it is - there is no requirement to even want to be involved. But to cry about it being "unfair" is silly.
My kid plays hockey to develop life skills, including integrity, when integrity in leaders is lost before tryouts even begin there is a problem. I know most people who comment on this site are using minor hockey to get their kids to the NHL, feel free to ignore my comment. For the rest of us
Just to test this theory in real life… you’re a manager and you have an employee who’s underperforming. Your competitor has an employee who’s great and they haven’t been treated properly. Would you not find a way to bring the competitors employee over bettering your company? You don’t wait for them to apply you go get them.

This is real life stuff folks you’re just upset because your kid is the one underperforming
A good coach knows who the best players are on other team, will have intel on who's unhappy, who's looking to move, backdoor channels to let these families know there is a spot for them, and will attract the better players to your organization.

A coach who closes his eyes and crosses his fingers in hopes that he will have good players turn up a tryouts is a coach that organizations don't want.

This happens at all levels of hockey. I know of House League / Local League programs who actively recruit so they can build their select teams up.

Poor organizations that don't compete and attract better players can look right at their executive. These are the ones making decisions on coaching and aren't normally intouch with what they need in a coach.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:00 pm

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:54 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:31 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:00 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:38 am
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:38 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:18 pm

Disagree with that opinion. He can make the jump, and maybe even be better for it if he gets good coaching and much more ice at A. Just my opinion and advice, my kid is entering U16AAA next season. Played select till U11, A U12-U13, AA U14 and AAA U15 and now U16.

Go slow, let them love the game. Not saying this is the right way, it worked for my son. What I will say is it allowed him to be a top player at every level before moving up and I think that benefitted him massively, also gave him the competitive edge to "make" that next level. Good luck and enjoy the ride!
This is bang on. Any coach who is tampering at U10/U11/U12 is pathetic and yoh should run. Hockey at this age should be about building kids up and learning to play.
*slow clap
People on here are so childish.

Yes, everyone agrees that it would be better for the integrity of the game if tryouts happened with zero previous commitments. But, its never going to happen. Teams are not going to miss out on players by "taking the high road" unless there is no viable competition. So, do coaches in Kingston feel the need to make commitments? Not sure, but I could see them not bothering potentially.

That being said, you might think that it will give your kid a better "more fair shot" at tryouts, but you are just then delaying the inevitable and allowing the teams that still don't care and still provide commitments prior to tryouts an unfair advantage. Maybe its the team you are trying out for that still makes the early commits and they are one of the only ones? Now you have LESS of a shot than you would have in todays world because they can literally create a super team without any competition from other teams.

Do you not think every coach knows either personally or through a web of connections the best players anyways? With social media (not just following player accounts) but coaches being connected with each other, live barn and in the case of 2015 and younger the advent of KSL where EVERYONE plays at the same location once a month - its easy to know the names. Hockey was always a "small world" now its even smaller.

So just stop with the crying, AAA hockey is what it is - there is no requirement to even want to be involved. But to cry about it being "unfair" is silly.
My kid plays hockey to develop life skills, including integrity, when integrity in leaders is lost before tryouts even begin there is a problem. I know most people who comment on this site are using minor hockey to get their kids to the NHL, feel free to ignore my comment. For the rest of us
Just to test this theory in real life… you’re a manager and you have an employee who’s underperforming. Your competitor has an employee who’s great and they haven’t been treated properly. Would you not find a way to bring the competitors employee over bettering your company? You don’t wait for them to apply you go get them.

This is real life stuff folks you’re just upset because your kid is the one underperforming
A good coach knows who the best players are on other team, will have intel on who's unhappy, who's looking to move, backdoor channels to let these families know there is a spot for them, and will attract the better players to your organization.

A coach who closes his eyes and crosses his fingers in hopes that he will have good players turn up a tryouts is a coach that organizations don't want.

This happens at all levels of hockey. I know of House League / Local League programs who actively recruit so they can build their select teams up.

Poor organizations that don't compete and attract better players can look right at their executive. These are the ones making decisions on coaching and aren't normally intouch with what they need in a coach.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:54 am

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:31 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:00 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:38 am
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:38 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:18 pm
Guest wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:56 pm

I hear ya. But money is not really a factor for us --- my concern is with no AA in the area, if he plays A for 3-4 years first, he won't be able to jump to AAA later on. I don't have expectations for him, just want to give him the opportunity to get wherever his talent takes him.
Disagree with that opinion. He can make the jump, and maybe even be better for it if he gets good coaching and much more ice at A. Just my opinion and advice, my kid is entering U16AAA next season. Played select till U11, A U12-U13, AA U14 and AAA U15 and now U16.

Go slow, let them love the game. Not saying this is the right way, it worked for my son. What I will say is it allowed him to be a top player at every level before moving up and I think that benefitted him massively, also gave him the competitive edge to "make" that next level. Good luck and enjoy the ride!
This is bang on. Any coach who is tampering at U10/U11/U12 is pathetic and yoh should run. Hockey at this age should be about building kids up and learning to play.
*slow clap
People on here are so childish.

Yes, everyone agrees that it would be better for the integrity of the game if tryouts happened with zero previous commitments. But, its never going to happen. Teams are not going to miss out on players by "taking the high road" unless there is no viable competition. So, do coaches in Kingston feel the need to make commitments? Not sure, but I could see them not bothering potentially.

That being said, you might think that it will give your kid a better "more fair shot" at tryouts, but you are just then delaying the inevitable and allowing the teams that still don't care and still provide commitments prior to tryouts an unfair advantage. Maybe its the team you are trying out for that still makes the early commits and they are one of the only ones? Now you have LESS of a shot than you would have in todays world because they can literally create a super team without any competition from other teams.

Do you not think every coach knows either personally or through a web of connections the best players anyways? With social media (not just following player accounts) but coaches being connected with each other, live barn and in the case of 2015 and younger the advent of KSL where EVERYONE plays at the same location once a month - its easy to know the names. Hockey was always a "small world" now its even smaller.

So just stop with the crying, AAA hockey is what it is - there is no requirement to even want to be involved. But to cry about it being "unfair" is silly.
My kid plays hockey to develop life skills, including integrity, when integrity in leaders is lost before tryouts even begin there is a problem. I know most people who comment on this site are using minor hockey to get their kids to the NHL, feel free to ignore my comment. For the rest of us
Just to test this theory in real life… you’re a manager and you have an employee who’s underperforming. Your competitor has an employee who’s great and they haven’t been treated properly. Would you not find a way to bring the competitors employee over bettering your company? You don’t wait for them to apply you go get them.

This is real life stuff folks you’re just upset because your kid is the one underperforming

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:54 am

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:36 am
Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:25 am So has anybody got nailed yet?
Heard there was a handful of North Durham Warrior coaches under investigation also. Not sure how it all went in the end.
COW U16 are being looked at, Parent "GM" has been very aggressive and not discreet.

Re: Tampering

by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:36 am

Guest wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:25 am So has anybody got nailed yet?
Heard there was a handful of North Durham Warrior coaches under investigation also. Not sure how it all went in the end.

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