Small town hockey amalgamations

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Guest wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:13 pm
Guest wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:54 pm Demographics of Ontario is changing.

All hockey programs are suffering from lack of enrollment, at all age levels.

Many LL/HL programs are gone. So if you can't make a REP team you don't have anywhere to play just for fun.

The changes stop warm bodies (forget about how good a player is) from going to another center and thus having less warm bodies in that players home center.

Many forget that for most smaller centers this is exactly how it worked in the 70's & 80's. If you didn't make the tier 1 team, you either played HL or if you were lucky your association had an informal agreement with some neighboring associations to send players to one consolidated team to play on a Tier 2 team.

OMHA is on the path to have AAA, then A with Contact (labeled AA); & A Non-Contact (labeled A). These levels will all actually be zone teams. With the local level having C/D non contact leagues.

I do feel for those that have concerns about the coaching and how some organizations are run. Those are very valid parenting concerns. Don't like it maybe step up and volunteer. But as it settles in over a couple years, it will just be how it works and everyone will adjust.
It’s not so easy to step up a volunteer. Some groups of people run the organizations with their little circle of buddies. They won’t let anyone in. At least that’s how it is in our small (minded) town.
Or you just aren’t good enough
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Re: Small town hockey amalgamations

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Guest wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:45 am
Guest wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:46 am
Guest wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:21 am Sounds like mergers and amalgamations are happening within OMHA for small town centres. Minor hockey associations are tight lipped, somethings brewing, who's got the scoop?
There should be a Grandfather clause!!!!!!

OMHA - realignment - NRP program.

Did anyone at the table discuss "what is best for the player" not just what is best for our Ontario Minor Hockey Association? It feels like a board decided that they don't want any movement between Alliance and OMHA unless it's AAA. If it's about the game and development and fun then shouldn't you continue to support all of those things for the players that are in your NRP Program! I wish OMHA would see the effects this realignment with NO grandfather caluse is having on players in everyday life not just the hockey!
#centrerealignment #omha # mentalhealthmatters #OHF #grandfatherclause #hockeycanada
This is just once again a parent that has their kid being an NRP and hoping he's on the team again next year. But remember its not what is best just for that one player.
Bingo
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Guest wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:49 pm An NRP is for one season only that is why it doesn't fall under Grandfathering.
Accurate
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Re: Small town hockey amalgamations

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Guest wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:54 pm Demographics of Ontario is changing.

All hockey programs are suffering from lack of enrollment, at all age levels.

Many LL/HL programs are gone. So if you can't make a REP team you don't have anywhere to play just for fun.

The changes stop warm bodies (forget about how good a player is) from going to another center and thus having less warm bodies in that players home center.

Many forget that for most smaller centers this is exactly how it worked in the 70's & 80's. If you didn't make the tier 1 team, you either played HL or if you were lucky your association had an informal agreement with some neighboring associations to send players to one consolidated team to play on a Tier 2 team.

OMHA is on the path to have AAA, then A with Contact (labeled AA); & A Non-Contact (labeled A). These levels will all actually be zone teams. With the local level having C/D non contact leagues.

I do feel for those that have concerns about the coaching and how some organizations are run. Those are very valid parenting concerns. Don't like it maybe step up and volunteer. But as it settles in over a couple years, it will just be how it works and everyone will adjust.
Best post on here!
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Orillia is merging with Oro for the 2025-26 season as well.
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Kitchener/Waterloo

Guelph/Cambridge

Orangeville/Caledon

instantly these organizations that have struggled for years would be better.
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People protect their small town organizations.

In Kawartha Lakes we have 6 centres that operate as BB to C rep centres with double cohort years and they dont seem to want to merge and create one centre for rep programming with AA and A hockey. Same number of kids would be playing rep hockey and they would be playing with equal talent at a higher level. Makes no sense not to.

If 15 players on a team playing rep hockey the numbers are like this

U11, U13, U15 & U18 Rep teams
Woodville - 0 Players (no rep teams)
Sturgeon - 60 Players
Kawartha - 60 players
Lindsay - 60 Players
Mariposa - 60 Players
Manvers - 0 Players (no rep teams)

If Merged (U10 AA & A, U11 AA & A, U12 AA & A, U13 AA & A, U14 AA & A, U15 AA & A, U16 AA & A, U18 AA & A)
U10 - 30 Players
U11 - 30 players
U12 - 30 players
U13 - 30 players
U14 - 30 Players
U15 - 30 players
U16 - 30 players
U18 - 30 players

Both scenarios have 240 players playing rep but pooling the best with teh best at each age. Think of how much better development for the kids would be and then COW woudl have two feeder AA programs and help strengthen their program at AAA as well.

Just a no brainer as each of the centres would keep their Local League programming and their U9 and below development.
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I think some of these decisions or lack there of, come from old school board members not wanting to lose that team name at the rep level through amalgamation. There are some smaller associations that have been around for 50+ years with the same team name. Not justifying whatsoever but i think that plays a part
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Guest wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:39 pm People protect their small town organizations.

In Kawartha Lakes we have 6 centres that operate as BB to C rep centres with double cohort years and they dont seem to want to merge and create one centre for rep programming with AA and A hockey. Same number of kids would be playing rep hockey and they would be playing with equal talent at a higher level. Makes no sense not to.

If 15 players on a team playing rep hockey the numbers are like this

U11, U13, U15 & U18 Rep teams
Woodville - 0 Players (no rep teams)
Sturgeon - 60 Players
Kawartha - 60 players
Lindsay - 60 Players
Mariposa - 60 Players
Manvers - 0 Players (no rep teams)

If Merged (U10 AA & A, U11 AA & A, U12 AA & A, U13 AA & A, U14 AA & A, U15 AA & A, U16 AA & A, U18 AA & A)
U10 - 30 Players
U11 - 30 players
U12 - 30 players
U13 - 30 players
U14 - 30 Players
U15 - 30 players
U16 - 30 players
U18 - 30 players

Both scenarios have 240 players playing rep but pooling the best with teh best at each age. Think of how much better development for the kids would be and then COW woudl have two feeder AA programs and help strengthen their program at AAA as well.

Just a no brainer as each of the centres would keep their Local League programming and their U9 and below development.
More likely to end up with only 3 teams per group instead of 4. Something like U10 A, U11 A, and U11 B.

Those 6 goalies will now only play half a season each, instead of full seasons to themselves accross 6 teams. Some families will opt out of rep (or hockey all together) now as the travel will increase significantly from merging with practices accross multiple arena locations and away games are all significantky further now as well.

Don't focus on the letter or number of kids. Focus on the experience and joy they are having. Borders are open, if a family really needs that special letter A, they can go to a proper established A center.
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With open borders, its highly unlikely they well merge. This kids, if good enough will end up going to North Durham.
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