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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:40 am LOL thats what shows what little coahes know? How about every team in the G shows you how little these coaches know! Right from how these coaches select their teams to how they run a practice and how they manage their bench, there isn't a single good coach in this age group. Prove me wrong! Sorry, I would say the MM coach has been doing things right and the fact that kids stay and continue to get stronger is proof of that. All the others are simply looking for a little tummy tickle from the dads who want their kid to get more ice time!

I agree these guys don't have a clue, in general. But with goaltending they are completely lost. They have zero clue what makes a good goalie or how a good goalie makes a team better. They think a good goalie has to face 50 shots per game and it's ok if they let in 5 or 6 goals. Most of these kids fail in the first year on a better team because they don't have basic fundamentals to play the game, they are too busy flying around by the seat of their pants trying to keep the puck out of the net on a bad team. Whereas the tender who faces 20 shots per game on a solid team learns how to play with a decent D in front of him and can actually improve their movements and positioning in the crease and will be more successful in the long run. While GAA isn't always the best indicator of goalie talent because team talent at this level varies, SV% is a great indicator for goalies with over 500 shots as it should remain close to constant no matter how many shots the tender faces.

"SV% is a great indicator for goalies" No, not even close. Too many variables in minor hockey. At this level GAA and Save% are a function of team play, not goalie performance. Save% only applies at the older levels when there is parity between teams. And it is only be used to filter the extreme high (.940) and low (.850) goalies. Five or six goals against on 50 shots (assuming normal amount of danger plays) is a heck of a performance in minor hockey.

Agreed that fundamentals are the most important aspect of goaltending. But ever kid goalie needs to be pushed, those kids on solid teams are not capable of raising their game when they are peppered by another solid team. Similarly, the kids on the bottom feeder teams are not developing either when they get dusted up nightly.

Agree to disagree. GAA is a team number, but IMO for a good goalie SV% is a major indicator. On my kids mid pack team both goalies have similar GAA (less than half a goal diff) but the SV% is over a 100% swing. And the goalie with the higher SV% is drawing the top teams. I agree this number can vary depending on the team play in front of him. But it generally remains pretty constant.

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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:31 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:54 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:16 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:40 am LOL thats what shows what little coahes know? How about every team in the G shows you how little these coaches know! Right from how these coaches select their teams to how they run a practice and how they manage their bench, there isn't a single good coach in this age group. Prove me wrong! Sorry, I would say the MM coach has been doing things right and the fact that kids stay and continue to get stronger is proof of that. All the others are simply looking for a little tummy tickle from the dads who want their kid to get more ice time!

I agree these guys don't have a clue, in general. But with goaltending they are completely lost. They have zero clue what makes a good goalie or how a good goalie makes a team better. They think a good goalie has to face 50 shots per game and it's ok if they let in 5 or 6 goals. Most of these kids fail in the first year on a better team because they don't have basic fundamentals to play the game, they are too busy flying around by the seat of their pants trying to keep the puck out of the net on a bad team. Whereas the tender who faces 20 shots per game on a solid team learns how to play with a decent D in front of him and can actually improve their movements and positioning in the crease and will be more successful in the long run. While GAA isn't always the best indicator of goalie talent because team talent at this level varies, SV% is a great indicator for goalies with over 500 shots as it should remain close to constant no matter how many shots the tender faces.

"SV% is a great indicator for goalies" No, not even close. Too many variables in minor hockey. At this level GAA and Save% are a function of team play, not goalie performance. Save% only applies at the older levels when there is parity between teams. And it is only be used to filter the extreme high (.940) and low (.850) goalies. Five or six goals against on 50 shots (assuming normal amount of danger plays) is a heck of a performance in minor hockey.

Agreed that fundamentals are the most important aspect of goaltending. But ever kid goalie needs to be pushed, those kids on solid teams are not capable of raising their game when they are peppered by another solid team. Similarly, the kids on the bottom feeder teams are not developing either when they get dusted up nightly.

Agree to disagree. GAA is a team number, but IMO for a good goalie SV% is a major indicator. On my kids mid pack team both goalies have similar GAA (less than half a goal diff) but the SV% is over a 100% swing. And the goalie with the higher SV% is drawing the top teams. I agree this number can vary depending on the team play in front of him. But it generally remains pretty constant.

Lots of movement. More then last. Should be interesting.

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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:31 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:54 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:16 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:40 am LOL thats what shows what little coahes know? How about every team in the G shows you how little these coaches know! Right from how these coaches select their teams to how they run a practice and how they manage their bench, there isn't a single good coach in this age group. Prove me wrong! Sorry, I would say the MM coach has been doing things right and the fact that kids stay and continue to get stronger is proof of that. All the others are simply looking for a little tummy tickle from the dads who want their kid to get more ice time!

I agree these guys don't have a clue, in general. But with goaltending they are completely lost. They have zero clue what makes a good goalie or how a good goalie makes a team better. They think a good goalie has to face 50 shots per game and it's ok if they let in 5 or 6 goals. Most of these kids fail in the first year on a better team because they don't have basic fundamentals to play the game, they are too busy flying around by the seat of their pants trying to keep the puck out of the net on a bad team. Whereas the tender who faces 20 shots per game on a solid team learns how to play with a decent D in front of him and can actually improve their movements and positioning in the crease and will be more successful in the long run. While GAA isn't always the best indicator of goalie talent because team talent at this level varies, SV% is a great indicator for goalies with over 500 shots as it should remain close to constant no matter how many shots the tender faces.

"SV% is a great indicator for goalies" No, not even close. Too many variables in minor hockey. At this level GAA and Save% are a function of team play, not goalie performance. Save% only applies at the older levels when there is parity between teams. And it is only be used to filter the extreme high (.940) and low (.850) goalies. Five or six goals against on 50 shots (assuming normal amount of danger plays) is a heck of a performance in minor hockey.

Agreed that fundamentals are the most important aspect of goaltending. But ever kid goalie needs to be pushed, those kids on solid teams are not capable of raising their game when they are peppered by another solid team. Similarly, the kids on the bottom feeder teams are not developing either when they get dusted up nightly.

Agree to disagree. GAA is a team number, but IMO for a good goalie SV% is a major indicator. On my kids mid pack team both goalies have similar GAA (less than half a goal diff) but the SV% is over a 100% swing. And the goalie with the higher SV% is drawing the top teams. I agree this number can vary depending on the team play in front of him. But it generally remains pretty constant.

Lots of movement. More then last. Should be interesting.

I’ve heard Bill Cosby is making a move ! Making a move for the pudding .

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:53 pm Is AC taking over NYR group next year ?

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:02 pm Reps coach is melting down. Losing best players and goalie.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:39 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:02 pm Reps coach is melting down. Losing best players and goalie.

Where were those best players tonight

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:27 pm big team,great goalie. 88,17,51 and goalie gone. back to AA to coach Rusetti